To be clear, I have no problem with "bisexual" as a descriptive label. I have a boyfriend and two girlfriends [-1]; my behavior is clearly bisexual. [0] I do sometimes have difficulty taking on bisexuality as an identity category for myself. I've always had difficulty with the label "bisexual" even though it was the first alternative sexual label I took on myself. Here's a hilarious-awkward timeline of my reasons for not calling myself bi:
- When I originally tried to come out to people at around fifteen --- my senior year of high school --- they denied that bisexuality existed, and told me that I was gay, and that claiming bisexuality was just a way to hedge around my own internalized homophobia. (Except they didn't use that language at the time.) For some reason, I absorbed this idea and repeated it to myself and others.
- For a while in college I claimed to be "bi until graduation, except in reverse" as a way to excuse my obviously not-strictly-homosexual behavior. I'm not sure anyone bought this one.
- When I started to transition, I had this bizarre theory that I was queer both as a man and as a woman and that my sexual orientation was shifting and confused while I was in between genders. Therefore I was attracted to people from both genders, but only because I was both genders, and once I stopped being both genders, I would only be attracted to women? This is slightly less crazycakes than it sounds, but still rather silly.
- After my first serious attempt at a non-monogamous relationship went horribly south, I concluded that it was impossible to be bisexual, because my mystical One True Love could only have one sex/gender [1] and once I found them I would know what my sexual orientation was. ...What? Rachel, you seriously thought this for like three whole years? I have nothing to say in my defense other than that I am better now.
The last question is easiest so I will approach it first. It is a useful descriptor at a far-distance level, because it is more specific than queer, and because using that descriptor or a related one helps to combat bi invisibility in queer circles. This battle is much more won in my social circles than it is in other queer social circles; I really have no idea where it stands in academia and theory-land. (Although one classmate's eagerness at discovering I had partners of multiple genders suggests there is still work to be done, and I have seen very limited academic work on bisexual queerness.) Closer in I suppose it is a useful descriptor for people who are thinking "Is Rachel potentially interested in person X?" in that it proves that the answer to that question is not dependent on gender.
Except that it totally is --- or at least it is dependent on some intersection of gender and sexed embodiment.
I largely don't care what's in someone's pants [2]; everyone I've interacted with has been awesome in some ways and challenging in others and I am grateful for the privilege of interacting with anyone at such a private level who I care for enough to reciprocate interest. I guess in that I find variety nice, that points toward bisexuality! But I do care about other aspects of sexed embodiment, like voices and skin texture and body hair and smell. In most of these contexts, except maybe voice, I tend pretty strongly towards preferring female embodied characteristics --- smooth skin, less hair, and not smelling like man. (I don't know how to better describe it. There is a family of smells I associate with adult human males that I find largely unpleasant.)
Sometimes I choose to be physically intimate with people who have those qualities anyway. This could be because I love them dearly. It could be because there are other things about them whose positive-attractiveness cancels out the negative-attractiveness of dude smell or whatever. It could also just be because I have chosen to not care for an evening. These are all choices. While sexual orientation at some level may not be a choice, and does not feel like one --- I don't choose to be attracted to long hair or smooth skin or cat ears or whatever --- sexual expression is something I choose and want to continue to claim and possess as a choice that I can make on a daily or lifelong basis. If I have an innate sexual orientation that I cannot change, it is probably pretty close to "lesbian." [3] I'm not sure that this idea of an innate sexual orientation is a terribly useful one for me, but if I'm going to define one, I'm not sure it should be "bisexual."
That said, I don't have a better term. The most obvious thing to suggest would be a Kinsey 5, but while I guess that could be a useful broad-strokes description of behavior, I don't feel it's accurate at an identity level. I'd rather think about it in terms of magnitudes; the magnitude of my attraction to female body characteristics is generally positive and the magnitude of my attraction to male body characteristics is generally negative, but there's a lot more to attraction (especially for long-term partners versus Random Dude/t/te At Party or something) than body type, and sometimes the magnitude of the vectors adds up to very positive even when there are one or two negative vectors in there like "covered in body hair." This is potentially related to Violet's excellent "Vector Identity Theory," although the specific formulation she provides is related to gender identity and not sexual partner choice. [4]
So uhhhhh... what do y'all think?
[-1] Don't feel bad, I can't keep track either. I discovered I had the second girlfriend by reading a third party's LJ.
[0] OK, I have a little of a problem. I wish that the term "bisexual" didn't reinforce the idea that there are two sexes, and that you can be attracted to either or both of them (or neither if you're on the ball and recognize asexuality as a valid identity-zone for people to inhabit). There aren't two sexes, at least not when you get down to individual cases, and attraction is crazy mad complicated, and if you accept that gender and sex aren't the same even if you believe they are related, then bigendersexual and bisexual aren't necessarily the same and "pansexual" or "omnisexual" starts to look better, except that then you're throwing away all of the work done by bisexual activists to try to get bisexuality recognized at all, and you open up the can of worms and each worm is holding a barrel full of disappointingly serious monkeys. If you could do me a favor and accept that when I say "bisexuality" I mean "bi/pan/omnisexuality" that would be awesome.
[1] A problematic assumption in and of itself.
[2] To the extent to which I do, it is none of the internet's business.
[3] I doubt that I do, in a lifelong sense, because of how often this has changed for me. However, if I do have one, the last five years or so of data suggest it's oriented mostly toward an approximation of "woman."
[4] "Sexual object choice" is arguably the term of art, but my sexual object choice usually involves going to hardware stores, while my sexual partner choice involves going to coffeeshops.
This entry was originally posted at http://rax.dreamwidth.org/66818.html.
December 23 2010, 21:13:35 UTC 1 year ago
Also: "...bi until graduation, except in reverse." Er, what does this mean, either way?
December 23 2010, 21:22:57 UTC 1 year ago
"Bi until graduation" or "lesbian until graduation" is a trope where (generally) women engage in same-sex relationships while in college and then go off and marry men and have families and identify as basically straight with the college period having been experimentation. Women who dated/were dating them are often very frustrated with this. It's sort of related to the phenomenon where lesbians are worried that bi women will leave them for men generally?
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December 23 2010, 21:21:34 UTC 1 year ago
I really WANTED to identify as bisexual for a long time but I could never quite make it work. And most of my actual experience is still with boys. And seems likely to remain so given that I'm being effectively monogamous with one.
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December 23 2010, 22:06:43 UTC 1 year ago
My annoying undergrad experiences tended to be more along the lines of people piling into me for claiming to be bisexual because they assumed it had to mean 50/50 when my visible range of partners showed a strong skew - I have probably an 85/15 preference for other-sex partners, but that's in a context of an absolute correlation between knowing people well and being capable of being seriously attracted to them, and a very strong preference for other-sex friends, which is a different thing but skews the visible samples at any specific time rather strongly. (I hold that direction of sexual desire and direction of tropism for close friendships are very distinct - I'd point to much of Leonard Cohen's body of work as making it eminently clear that he has a tropism for female partners and also one for close male friends for example.)
I have been reading here for a while, btw, and rarely feel I have much to say directly to what you write, but I do appreciate the opportunity to read it. Hopefully newish job will eat me slightly less in the New Year and I will have the brain for more actual conversation.
(I have long been saying my number of partners comes with error bars, because people differ in whether they think that, frex, someone with whom I have a definite agreement to be physically involved when next geography, health and inclination coincide to allow, but with whom that hasn't yet, counts or not.)
These days I favour referring to my orientation as "angelic", after the bit in Aquinas about how each angel is a species unto itself. (As a working molecular biologist, I firmly believe the very notion of "species" was defunct with Darwin, so there's irony there, too.)
December 24 2010, 00:58:35 UTC 1 year ago
Hah. Perhaps!
(I have long been saying my number of partners comes with error bars, because people differ in whether they think that, frex, someone with whom I have a definite agreement to be physically involved when next geography, health and inclination coincide to allow, but with whom that hasn't yet, counts or not.)
That is not generally a model I use, although I guess if you expanded the definition of "partner" sufficiently it would change my count. I'm thinking only of people with whom I have a fairly long-term commitment and who I do relationship work with even across distance. I guess that doesn't necessarily not include what you've described. Hm. Labels are hard.
These days I favour referring to my orientation as "angelic", after the bit in Aquinas about how each angel is a species unto itself.
Aaaaaaa does this mean I have to read Aquinas too now? ...oh wait I am in graduate school I have to read everything.
December 23 2010, 22:31:08 UTC 1 year ago
Nice. ^_^ And this was an interesting read, many salient points of which I can apply to my own life and sexuality.
December 23 2010, 22:42:55 UTC 1 year ago
Yeah, I have this problem. When my options are straight, gay, and bisexual, I do choose bisexual when I have to choose anything at all, but it doesn't fit right, so I don't like doing it.
If you're a cataloger, you try to find subject headings that describe the majority of the book you're cataloging. And sometimes you can find narrow subject headings that work, and sometimes you have to go with a broader subject heading that is less descriptive because there isn't a workable narrow subject heading. And then there are narrow subject headings that kind of work, but also are misleading because while the book technically is about that subject, it's not about that subject the way the subject is usually meant. Bisexuality feels like that for me.
But there isn't a term that works either. I've heard pan- used as being attracted to a particular gender presentation, regardless of the sex of the person involved, and that's closer, but last time I tried to pin this down, the best description is that I find people who [I tag as doing] gender-as-performance attractive. Which is possibly also misleading; it's the playful theatricalness of gender that I find interesting. Or something. Because when I say I find someone attractive I generally mean they have my attention, not that I want to sleep with them. And I have no idea if this adds in an element of asexuality to the mix or if my sex drive is mostly dormant when I'm not involved with anyone or what.
December 24 2010, 17:31:54 UTC 1 year ago
I had not heard pan being used that way! I have always heard it as "all genders." That is a difference in definitions I should watch out for. Also, I think I share the obviously performed gender as attractive thing.
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I don't have a problem with any of that, of course! If what I'm suggesting is true, I'm largely in the same boat -- I'm attracted to women, certain types of men, but most strongly to PWCRTGs.
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I identify as pansexual; I've had serious "crushes" on people who identified as male, female, and genderqueer*. I see people's gender but it doesn't weigh heavily into the way they score on my attraction scale. I, like and unlike you, however am attracted to people who carry "signals" that tend to be male linked (why are most butch woman lesbians ;-;).
I don't know if you can call all bisexuals pansexual, though. If our system wasn't bound by binaries, I'm sure there would still be some people that were only attracted to the far ends of the spectrum just like there are people who are only attracted to one end.
* I only give you this list because I've seen an emergence (most evident on tumblr!) of a "politically (something), functionally (something else)" identification system. Before this semester ended I had a friend (politically bisexual, functionally lesbian) tell me that I was politically pansexual, functionally bisexual because I had never fallen for someone outside of the binary and I only used Pan because I didn't want to enforce the binary.
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Which I guess is to say I have few levels of labels, depending on how much I want to convey to other people about me, and the label is something to convey information to them, not to me.
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December 24 2010, 01:11:33 UTC 1 year ago
I like pansexual because even though it's a different Greek root I still think of Pan, but I'm actually attracted to a pretty limited feature set (mostly only non-straight people, which I haven't even made up a word for), so I feel like it would be false advertising to say I was all-sexual.
I don't know that you have to identify as bisexual in order to celebrate and honor the role bisexual activism and history has had on your life. It's a little different with a word like bisexual that people still actively-identify as, but I've heard people identify as "passing women-inspired" or similar to acknowledge their history even if they don't fully identify with it.
December 24 2010, 01:56:24 UTC 1 year ago
But then there's my gender, which is complex and confusing and means that I honestly could describe any one of my relationships as being either hetero- or homosexual.
And then there's the fact that I came out into and got all my initial theory from a very very second-wave environment and so there are all these things I have culturally that are a certain specific kind of lesbianism, which has its flaws (especially massive transphobia) but also has elements that I want to see preserved and held onto and identify with a lot. Despite the fact that by sleeping with and/or being a man I am in many ways ideologically betraying that part of me, which I have mostly made my piece with or I wouldn't have my current relationships but.
All of which is to say I totally understand why the taxonomy is complicated because sometimes there JUST IS NO DAMN ANSWER, and also your navel-gazing is articulate and interesting and relevant.
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I choose the world "bisexual" to describe myself, but only because it's simpler and I'm not as interested in sexual/gender politics as you.
December 24 2010, 03:03:35 UTC 1 year ago Edited: December 24 2010, 03:05:44 UTC
I wish that the term "bisexual" didn't reinforce the idea that there are two sexes, and that you can be attracted to either or both of them (or neither if you're on the ball and recognize asexuality as a valid identity-zone for people to inhabit).
This. Also, it seems to imply that someone's sex and/or gender is a substantial factor in whether I am or might be attracted to them, which so far as I can tell in my case it is not. Also, many people seem to think it is not compatable with being monogamous, which is irritating.
ETA: also what
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Wait that doesn't work either.
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December 24 2010, 06:58:21 UTC 1 year ago
Or maybe more accurately, the characters I'm thinking of don't worry about who they're attracted to and what it says about their identity. ("You people and your quaint little categories," says Jack Harkeness.) And I think that says a lot about me -- because I do worry, and I'm trying not to -- and maybe not a lot about what a "bisexual identity" or whatever should actually and productively look like, but it's the best I've got. :-)
[0]: For reasons I don't entirely remember, I recently found myself listing positive depictions of male bisexuality that I've seen, and came up with Capt. Jack Harkness and a half-dozen Bear characters and that was it. There probably are others out there -- I know of some -- but I'm not well-acquainted with them.
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I think you would like
Also, I find your comment about guysmells entertaining, because one of my mild issues about my post-pregnancy body is that it keeps smelling notably female at me and I find this upsetting on the gender-dysphoric level (no, wrong), on the associative problems level (previous times my body has smelled notably female have been associated with PMS, which sucks a lot for me), and on the heterosexuality level (WOULD NOT FUCK THAT YUCK).
[1] If you do not have the referent for 'sfik', it is a word from the language of some fairly unpleasant-by-human-standards aliens. It is often translated 'face' or 'status', not that this is accurate in entirety. If you have sfik (the quality) or sfik-items you are higher-ranked than someone who does not have sfik. Gaining sfik upgrades your status; losing sfik is like losing face, but also if you had a lot and you lose it suddenly someone will probably eat you because that is what happens when you are a big loser. (C. J. Cherryh's Chanur series, the kif.) It is a useful concept for a thing that I find it hard to articulate.
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December 24 2010, 09:05:11 UTC 1 year ago
"Gay" is a great and, relatively, simple word, but, and this is perhaps due to a negative cognition of my own, it is a word that seems to derive its meaning by being in contrast to "straight": "liking people who represent as being of one's own binary-gender identity" opposed "liking people who represent as being of the opposite of one's own binary-gender identity". I am neither of these because, when I think of what I like, I just think of what I like, rather than thinking "Oh, I like this, which is different to what other people like".
Finally, the answer I seem to come up with most of the time, and most likely the correct one, it is possible that I am trying too hard to fit myself into a label and that I should just relax and not worry about it.
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Almost all our labels are approximations in one sense or another. Is Pluto a planet? What does "planet" mean? It's just a word we made up, does the universe recognise such a concept? We used to classify Ceres and Pallas as planets too, although the idea seems laughable today; our grandchildren will probably view Pluto in the same light.
Here is a lame naming argument from my own neck of the woods for your entertainment*: "What should Wikipedia have under the article title ''Ireland''? Should it be about the physical island, the political state, or a disambiguation page between them?" Wikipedia spent about four years dragging on an argument about this. And if you think that's bad, you should see what goes on about this and related topics in real life.
Of course, at some level we have to have labels, even inaccurate ones, in order to converse with each other. There are only a finite number of hours in the day, so if we launch into a philosophical discussion every time we want to tell someone "feed the cat" there will shortly not be a cat to feed! So at some stage we have to come up with definitions for words and treat them as if they're solid, even if in reality they're social constructs and about as stable as a house of cards. It might be that most actual physical instances of "cat" don't match our mental picture of the word, but we use it anyway because it's sort of like an average? I think this is what
I think this is related to the physical/conceptual divide, if only because mathematical concepts tend to be much better defined by their terminology; the division of triangles into equilateral, isosceles, and scalene is rigidly defined, for example (although there are some confused points of terminology even in mathematics, like using the symbol "π" for the prime-counting function, not to mention the questions of sphere dimensionality, or whether or not 0 is a natural number).
Haha, I tick none of your boxes. Incidentally, I think many straight women also dislike our smell, which is why they make us wear aftershave and suchlike stuff. Not me, though! I am a cool rebel! Also I, uh, don't shave in the first place, so yeah. There was a brief discussion on the Internet once between a group of us about who had the largest moustache. One person claimed that, since his moustache ran into his beard, he could count the latter as part of it. I suggested that if "continuous trail of hair" was the criterion we were going for, then I had a "moustache" extending up to and including my toes, and that was the last we heard of that argument. Which brings us back to word-definitions again, I guess.
TL;DR summary: Language is a clumsy but necessary invention. Also, GK makes himself sound like a Wookiee.
(* If strangers arguing on the Internet entertains you, that is. Wikipedia is my soap opera, not gonna lie.)
December 24 2010, 12:39:39 UTC 1 year ago
that did not seem as long-winded in the edit box
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December 24 2010, 20:09:54 UTC 1 year ago
Lately I've been using "weighted" as a descriptor; "pansexual weighted genderqueer lesbians," for me, goes a long way toward both accuracy and capturing some suggestion of flux and changability while implying that there is an effort involved to weight the scales in the other direction.
December 25 2010, 03:55:30 UTC 1 year ago
I know what smells you mean, but I find it attractive. Like, if I'm in an elevator with someone who smells like man I may find myself a little weak in the knees. Ah, the amazing variation of human sexual desire and expression.
December 26 2010, 06:44:17 UTC 1 year ago
For a while, I favored "pansexual" which is nicely inclusive, but I found myself having to explain what "pansexual" meant about 80% of the time. Right now I default to "queer," even though I realize that a lot of people probably think that's just another way to say "gay." (I am still not used to most people I meet here pegging me as a gay man. It's very strange and I can't always decide how I feel about it.)
I do feel for bi activists fighting against erasure and I wish I felt comfortable using "bisexual" as a way to self-identify. I've certainly chosen it as an option where there weren't any better, and I'd rather have someone think of me as bi than straight or gay. But I don't feel comfortable using it if I have another option.
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